Beware of Ulterior Motives [PART III]

Despite my request to stop copying content from the forum that he continues to use to build his "front" on the web, there was another attempt from him to post to the forum a message scattered with references of his website within the lengthy post.

Besides the blatant disregard for ethics and disrespect for request to cease the pilfering of material to be used for his personal gain on his website, there are THREE things that really bother me when all is said and done:

1. WHAT are his true intentions of hosting a duplicate forum with his slant on the web w/o the permission or cooperation of the forum from which he "borrows" the member posts to backfill his website?

2. WHY the need to hide his true affiliation with the company he left AND WHY the need to have a duplicate of the forum on the web under his control and manipulation? and lastly,

3. If you're truly looking out for the good of the public, then why not approach me to work with me to improve the forum instead of recreating an already functional forum?

Want to find his forum? Go here:
1. www.google.com
2. type in the name to search for: james smith

the search will take you to the search results page
(here's a shortcut http://tinyurl.com/mtrbv) where you will find
a sponsor link of James Smith RE Seminars at the top of the google search page;

UPDATED (as of 4/10/2006) - it looks like due to the cost of clicks to his site, he decided to remove the pay-per-click that he had subscribed to. oh well, we'll see what happens next. well, if you do stumble upon his site, you'll see what I'm talking about.

3. click on the sponsor link: "James Smith RE Seminars"

there you will find a duplication of content... where he plagerizes from the yahoo forum and to put onto his site posing to be a "neutral site" about James Smith.

BEWARE OF ULTERIOR MOTIVES [PART II]

A total of two attempts were made to post his copycat site before he finally emailed me:

PERSONAL EMAIL:
-------------------------

DATE: 02/24/2006

Jared Deheart wrote:
> Kramm,
> Please post the message on the board about the
> www.XXX-XXXX.com site. You will not even believe what is about to
> come our way!
> THE SHARK
>

---------------------
ha!

You will not even believe what is about to
> come our way!

please... to date (2/27/06), the site is just a duplicate of the members' postings to his webblog.

To which i replied:
----------------------------

DATE: 02/24/2006
kram wrote:

now really... WHY would i do something like that? you just recently
joined the forum, you refer to yourself as "we" indicating more than
just you (and who knows who else), and i know nothing of your background
or intentions... think about it. what would you do if our roles were
reversed? i know where i stand... a truly neutral party w/an open mind
to see the results of consistent actions of the public and the company
of james smith. the forum is fine for what it is/serves... a place to
communicate ideas... nothing more. you share your opinions and thots -
straightforward and simple.

-----------------
to which he replied:
-------------

DATE: 02/25/2006

Jared Deheart wrote:
> Kram,
> No problem. I just wanted you to be made aware of this. Believe me when
> I say that I am trying to assist others in their quest for knowledge. I
> can completely understand and respect your decision.
>
> Respectfully,
> CNNLEGAL

--------------------------

That was that, right?? WRONG. I mean, I thought I was pretty "nice" about how I handled things considering his blatant attempt to recreate the existing yahoo forum that he had stumbled upon just weeks ago. Setting up a website and recreating the forum in his own fashion to be served to the public as a seemingly neutral, innocent, "fact-finding" website about James Smith. I mean, what other motives could there be, being an EX-Coach for James Smith and company.. striking out on his own to start his own to sell his services and hopefully, possibly, conveniently picking up a few members from the Yahoo forum that so happens to be targetted specifically to his market of prospects?? After all, he states that he is only looking out for the good of the public!

oh come ON! I just can't stand people who aren't forthcoming with what they are REALLY after. At least admit in a "nice way" that you are looking to have a win-win solution by helping people attain their RE goals while building your business! What an insult to 1. setup a website in hopes to play it off as a truly neutral site wihtout any conflict of interest; 2. trying to conceal your full intentions with the noble facade/statement of "trying to assist others" (what a half-truth); and then, 3. outright copying content from the forum just to build your website with none of your own work or effort to fool future visitors who happen upon your site just to build a pool of prospects to sell your services to.

Frankly, these actions from Jared (aka: "THE SHARK") is on the same level of ethics that the RE guru industry is known for - deceptive and underhanded - promising the world with nothing to show for.

Alas, what can I do but deal with the reality that we live with all kinds of people and have to deal with the unethical ways of others. :( it's truly a pity.

SEE PART III

BEWARE OF ULTERIOR MOTIVES [PART I]

Recently I received a forum post on the yahoogroups requesting to advertise a particular webdomain to the group.

Generally, I have no problem approving messages that refer to other websites as long as they are relevant to the forum discussion. This post was different... this time the request was suspicious. it was a request from a former coach of the James Smith company - Jared Dehart (aka: CNNLEGAL or "THE SHARK") who recently joined the Yahoo! group (see http://tinyurl.com/qxcmk or message post #228 on the forum)

I was perplexed when I first saw this message post attempt to the forum:

----------------

Date: 02/23/2006

My Fellow Investors:

There is a new website focused on the all the facts that you've been wanting to know about James Smith. Come visit [such-and-such-website.com] to find out all about James Smith and subscribe to our daily newsletter to learn more. Here you will find material to help you become a successful real estate investor.

Kram, you have done an excellent job so far with this Yahoo forum, but we feel that with over 400 members it is time to take things to the next level.

THE SHARK

-----------

With an open mind, I decided to review the site to see what it had to offer...

LO AND BEHOLD... a complete duplication of the recent month's worth of forum posts from the James-Smith-Real-Estate-Guru Yahoo! Forum. This former coach of James Smith decided to recreate a forum in his own fashion and was attempting to pawn his site off as a place with all the answers. There were no tools or materials available for investors as stated in his message post that he had described. The site had graphics associated with the duplicated content, and reworded subject headings for each posting made from individuals of the forum.

I deleted the forum post and decided to not address the attempt to duplicate the forum for whatever intentions he had in mind.

SEE PART II

Re: Should I attend the NRI / James Smith 3 day training???? ANSW: NO! KEEP YOUR MONEY!!!!

I took 3-days seminar, I had a mentor for 12 sessions,
zero result, now I'm trying to get my money back. Nate
Day refused, if you are going to talk to him get ready
to hear pretty rude things. I'm done with dealing with
the company people to resolve my case.
Are you looking for advice? Take it or live it. Just
keep in mind that there is one more person out there
who already paid for the valuable lesson you can get
for free. TAKE ADVANTAGE!!!
-Elena.


--- devore barb wrote:

> To Wranglerblue 381,
>   I am a very conservative person and always do my
> research before acting on anything.  To say the
> least, I am very cautious and weigh everything
> before making a giant leap. Yet, after attending the
> all day presentation of 5 speakers, James was so
> convincing that I jumped when I shouldn't have, as
> far as I am concerned.  I went to the class and was
> bombarded with info. considering the fact that I
> knew very little to begin with and it was too much
> to understand all at once.  Then, after my friend
> and I left, we were convinced that anyone can do
> this and do it right away.  Wrong story.  It has
> been 9 months with a mentor and we have yet to
> accomplish our dream.  I dearly regret spending the
> money for the class, the mentor, and the software
> that Ryan Smith designed.  What a waste!  I'd love
> to do real estate but feel that one needs a personal
> mentor in the local area to assist you, just like
> James had and his son for that matter.  MY ADVICE:
> DON'T GO!  Learn from my mistake.
>   ..
..

James Smith National Real Estate Investors / NRI / MIT

I Went to the Scottsdale Celebrity conference. Yes, James is acharismatic speaker, but that's his job. I was caught up with theexcitement and wanted to plunk the big chunk of money down, but Ididn't have it available at the time.

It's a good thing.

After several attempts to contact the organization and emailing James himself with no reply tells me loud and clear what type oforganization they are running. Please use caution and research those who you plan to give and invest your hard earned money to. Please usecommon sense and remember if its too good to be true it probably is.If you have enough drive to take yourself to the conference, use thatdrive and put it into finding a local mentor or by doing your own footwork.

Yes it takes time but in time you will be rewarded and youcan be a mentor to someone else. Good luck everybody.

P.S. I found outthat the company is not a member with the Better Business Bureau.Google it and you'll see for yourself.

I Went to the Scottsdale Celebrity conference. Yes, James is acharismatic speaker, but that's his job. I was caught up with theexcitement and wanted to plunk the big chunk of money down, but Ididn't have it available at the time.

It's a good thing.

After several attempts to contact the organization and emailing James himself with no reply tells me loud and clear what type oforganization they are running. Please use caution and research those who you plan to give and invest your hard earned money to. Please usecommon sense and remember if its too good to be true it probably is.If you have enough drive to take yourself to the conference, use thatdrive and put it into finding a local mentor or by doing your own footwork.

Yes it takes time but in time you will be rewarded and youcan be a mentor to someone else. Good luck everybody.

P.S. I found outthat the company is not a member with the Better Business Bureau.Google it and you'll see for yourself.

Another Message To Dale, Like Talking to A Village Idiot?

Trying to reason with the village idiot is a futile effort. With
all of diversions you come with you sound like a politician.

Dale, you just don't get it. All you keep posting is the same
ridiculous advice - "go talk to James and he'll answer all of your
questions'. Sure he will, he's trying to talk me out of $6,000.00
to start with and more later.

The bottom line is this: James works for MIT as a paid speaker.
Nothing more, nothing less. He lives in a house that he bought in
1987 that has an approxiamte market value of $400K (this I have
verified through county records where he resides) which is not
indicative of a super-successful real estate investor. He professes
the merits of using corporations and trusts to shelter assets, yet
his personal residence is held in his own name. His son Ryan won't
provide any information to back up the representations he has posted
on his father's website. MIT/NRI (the company he works for) has a
very questionable background including some name changes, and from
other posts here do not honor their refund guarantee unless people
threaten to involve the BBB or the Utah AG. We don't hear anything
from the 'countless' people that he has helped. Put all this
together and what do you have? A salesman selling for a
questionable organization, pure and simple.

Dale, you have provided nothing to counter the above except for
saying that if we talk to James he'll tell us everything we need to
know. Again no facts, just your opinions of what YOU think of James
Smith. You give no facts that anyone can verify *except if we go
talk to James Smith). And since you give us NO VERIFIABLE FACTS,
your posts are completely worthless. You say 'collect the
evidence', but there isn't any.

BTW, are you going to counter cnnlegal's post? Since you know so
much about James Smith I really thought you'd be all over that one.

Come back with some real facts and maybe you'll sound more credible

The Battle Continues!

Dale-

Let me enlighten you about how the world works. The fact that James
Smith is on stage with the likes of Trump, Robbins, Ziglar, etc.
means nothing, They aren't there because they are doing James Smith
any favors, they are there because they are getting PAID to be
there. And yes, they will let any schmuck (even you Dale) on stage
with those guys if those guys are getting PAID to be there - they
are just collecting a check.

For that matter, you know WHY they have those personalities come
sales events where the likes of James Smith are selling? As
CNNLEGAL puts it, 'to put butts in seats'. You see, no one knows
who James Smith is, but everyone know who Trump is. That's an easy
sell. In fact, I would be surprised if Trump even remembered Smith
at all. If the event organizers did not have at least one
personality there the drw would be much less - that's why they spend
the money for people like Trump to be there.

James is the real deal IN YOUR EYES, but not in mine. He is a
salesman, not an investor. He is there for one reason; to sell the
training.

And one last thing, Dale. I may look angry, rigid and pathetic to
you, but judging by the responses that I get from my posts and the
responses to yours, my logic and quest for the facts is much more
credible than your 'go meet the man' and your 'faith'.

And I'll ask again. why should we take YOU at your word? Who the
hell are you?? Some self-appointed expert on James Smith? All you
tell us to do is go talk to him. What kind of due diligence is that?

Get real, Dale. You bring nothing to the table but your OPINION.
You need to go get some useful information and come back when you
have something of value to the group.

Phil

Should I attend the NRI/James Smith 3 day training????

I am a very conservative person and always do my research before acting on anything. To say the least, I am very cautious and weigh everything before making a giant leap. Yet, after attending the all day presentation of 5 speakers, James was so convincing that I jumped when I shouldn't have, as far as I am concerned. I went to the class and was bombarded with info. considering the fact that I knew very little to begin with and it was too much to understand all at once. Then, after my friend and I left, we were convinced that anyone can do this and do it right away. Wrong story. It has been 9 months with a mentor and we have yet to accomplish our dream. I dearly regret spending the money for the class, the mentor, and the software that Ryan Smith designed. What a waste! I'd love to do real estate but feel that one needs a personal mentor in the local area to assist you, just like James had and his son for that matter. MY ADVICE: DON'T GO! Learn from my mistake.

Barb DeVore

A James Smith Coach Speaks Up

My name is Sean Walker. I live in Utah. My phone number is(801)687-2999. I am a Personal Trainer in James program. I am also aRE investor for several years. You seek a sign Phil, so here yougo...I can witness to the fact that I have walked several studentsthrough some great deals both in residential and commercial RealEstate. They are real deals, with real people and real properties.Call me "shill" in James program if you wish, but I would take that asa complement!It's really none of your business to be looking at other investorsprivate deals. I would not tell you, for common sense and AssetProtection 101 reasons, what my personal deals have been. If you areso critical of James and his programs, that must make you an expert inReal Estate Investing as well. Why don't you share with the forum allof your personal financial information including where your propertiesare and how much your "net" gain was on each deal. Put that "Sue Me"sign on your back... If you were an experienced investor you wouldknow that a public records search on a seasoned investor should leadto a dead end. I don't do business in my own name for many good honestand ethical reasons, but mostly to shield my assets from "deadbeats"looking for free ride from frivolous lawsuits, not to mention thatdoing business in your own name offers much fewer tax breaks. Youraccountant should have filled you in on that little "secret" by now.

Sean Walker, nrisean@yahoo.com

Scheduled to Attend in March? Do we Go?

Hello,
I attended the Trump session of people selling ideas and ways to
become wealthy. My sister and I signed up for the Real Estate 3 day
course offered by James Smith. I usually do NOT spend that much money
just off the bat..I have learned from my father not to rush into
things...however, hopefully not sad to say, I did. So now we are
scheduled to attend Feb. 27-Mar 1, 2006 in Las Vegas. I had a bad
feeling about this the next day, but my sister wants to go. I don't
want to spend the $3,000 if I am not going to benefit from it. Nor, as
I have been reading, if I will be pressured to spend more on a 5 day
class.
I really need people to respond back on weather they felt it was
worth it or not, please help.

Thank you!
Ann

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*Waltz Frazier, NY Knicks and Hall-of-Famer
*Earl Monroe, NY Knicks and Hall-of-Famer
*Bud Harrelson, NY Mets shortstop and coach in 90’s
*Joe Mcllvaine, GM of NY Mets
*George Young, GM of NY Giants
*Fred Clair, GM of LA Dodgers
*Phil Mcconkey, NY Giants player
*Bill Walton, played w/Portland Trailblazers and Boston Celtics, Hall-of-Famer, currently sports announcer

Fashion/Personalities

*Ivana Trump
*Joan Rivers
*Elle MacPherson, model
*Brooke Shields, model, actress, spokesperson
*Vendela, model
*Carol Alt, model
*Simon Doonan, Barneys window-dresser and author
*Barbara Cirkva, EVP Chanel
*Malia Mills
*Josie Natori
*Jane Schoenborn, creator, Jane Fox handbags
*Reed Krakoff, CEO Coach
*Ed Burstell, GM of Henri Bendel
*Diane Von Furstenburg
*Paul Charron, CEO Liz Claiborne
*Mario Buatta, interior designer

A Message from Dale

The Saga Continues .....

OK, we've got one more great testimony about James from someone who actually MET him ..
Just for the record, if you've never met James, and you are just giving your testimony based on what you find online or from private eyes, then your perception is FALSE.

Let me explain it this way. I'm sure you have all heard about the story about the six blind men and the elephant, but I'll tell it anyway.

Six blind men are traveling down a road, trying to feel their way forward.
They stumble upon an elephant blocking their path.

Each man feels a different part of the elephant, and through their LIMITED perception (like when you don't actually meet someone before making a judgement about them), they come up with different conclusions.

One man touches the trunk and says it's a snake. One touches the ear and says it's a fan. One touches the leg and says it's a tree.

One touches the tusk and says it's a spear. One touches the tail and says it's a rope. One touches the side and says it's a wall.

All of them are wrong, but BY THEIR PERCEPTIONS they think they are right and they will defend their assertations vehemntly, including bashing people in an online forum. Even people that are just trying to set the record straight for the many observers of this room.
Mel, I'm not insulting anyone. I'm just trying to point out that some people's perceptions are misguided and that they need a broader view. I'm sure a private eye can dig up lots of dirt on ANYONE.

You'd be suprised who has an FBI file.

And Phil, if you don't take the time to actually open your eyes and see what the "elephant" truely is, and just spend your time online trying to find dirt and defend your position, then you are BLIND.

Think of it this way. Are you SURE? REALLY sure? Bet your life on your opinion of James?
Well, if not, then you don't have all the info you need. And you won't get it here.
You will always be blind unless you go to meet James and ask him your questions in person.
You won't find them here.

Dale

PS. Can you refute that? Can you REALLY refute that? Isn't that absolute truth? I mean, REALLY the truth?